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Showing posts with label Sense and Sensibility. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sense and Sensibility. Show all posts

Friday, June 24, 2011

My Attempt at S&S Thoughts

1. The Dashwood women discuss Edward Ferrars for many pages before the reader actually meets him in a dramatic scene. Why do you think Austen chose to create the whole Elinor/Edward love affair "off stage"?

I didn’t like it! This is why I had such a problem the first two times I read this book. I felt I didn’t really know Edward. I had to go off of what others said about him and not see him for my own. Even a limited (and often prejudiced—for good or bad) view of Darcy and Capt. Wentworth and dear Tilney and Mr. Knightley is better than not to actually see him! And then when I really got to see him, he was not at his best. The most happy I was with him was at the very end. Perhaps Austen left it vague so that we as the reader could imagine our own man—with all of the good, stalwart qualities that are emphasized again and again. Which isn’t bad, but I still had hoped for a little more to go off of when I was younger. Now, having seen a few versions from the movies, I can come up with an Edward that pleases me when I read the book. He does, of course, highly resemble in looks and actions the Edward from the 2008 film version. (Small wonder!)

It is not hard to see why I typically love the movies better for at least this reason—you get to see more of an Edward. Hugh Grant in the ’95 version was not the Edward I would create in my mind, but he was the first one that I saw more put to his character. The Edwards in the 70s and 80s film versions aren’t much to get me interested. And Dan? I mean, Edward? Oh yeah.


2. Elinor and Marianne's younger sister Margaret plays a very minor role in the novel. Why do you think Austen included this character? Does she further any of the plot? Does she shed light on any of the other characters?

I have no clue! The 70s and 80s films probably didn’t either, since they completely took her out. She was a fun addition in both ’95 and 2008. Though she was different in each—and nothing like the book. Why? Because the book barely describes anything about her! I got in mind that she was a mini-Marianne, which made me not want to know her. I love both girls in the ’95 and 2008. Why she’s in the book? Well, I guess if she didn’t exist, Mrs. Dashwood would have joined her daughters in London. Maybe her young age is also supposed to remind you that Mrs. Dashwood is not all that old herself, and that her late husband was probably much older when he married her. (Which foreshadows Colonel Brandon and Marianne.)

3. Before he abandons Marianne, is John Willoughby a likeable character? Does Austen give any indication early on that he is not as he appears?

I don’t really know what I thought of him during my first read. My second and this latest third read were influenced by the fact that I knew his true and full character. Trying to ignore that I knew that, I still thought him too encouraging of Marianne’s excessive emotings—and could I honestly like a man like that? I have major fears and concerns that I am too much like Marianne. I long for a man to help ground me and remove some of the overly sensible sensibilities, not someone to encourage them.

When my friends and I watched 2008 version last week, there was one present who had never read the book or seen any other version. So I wondered how he would think of the characters, not knowing anything about them. I should have known better than to base it on him, for I’ve noticed he is very good at predicting certain characters or actions in plays or movies that I would NEVER have guessed. Within 5 minutes of meeting Willoughby, he did not like him. He must be a great judge of character, no matter how books or films try to hide traits and truths from the audience.

4. A turn of the century review describes Mrs. Jennings as a character it is "equally delightful to have met on paper and not to have met in the flesh." Why is it delightful to spend time reading about a character who would be tedious in person?

Considering I do spend time with tedious people—never in such long amounts, thank goodness!—I guess it is fun in a book because when they annoy me, I can either skip that part or close the book. If anything, I can be grateful that I can make faces or comments to relieve my annoyance or frustration and never worry about hurting that person’s feelings!

5. What did you think of the dueling scene?

2008 film – certainly a fun addition!
3rd reading of book—I can’t believe it’s in there! I thought the movie had just sensationalized. But it’s there. Not in detail, but it is referred to. Awesome!!!

6. "One's happiness must in some measure be always at the mercy of chance," the narrator says at one point. What role does chance play in the fates of the main characters?

Uh. I think this is too deep for my brain right now. (Give me a break! It’s summer reading. The fact that I wake up and remember to shower and dress before going to work is a bonus!) I guess one has to believe in fate. I don’t. My spiritual beliefs have another reason and word for that. I guess here fate is that both girls got to go to London. If they never had, how much less (or more) would Marianne’s reactions have been to Willoughby’s marriage? Mrs. Dashwood would have immediately been there to comfort—and probably commiserate with her over-sensibilities. Would Colonel Brandon ever have shared what he knew? Would Edward have known that Elinor knew of his engagement. Would Colonel Brandon have offered the living? After all, the girls’ being in London caused their Barton acquaintances to meet with their familial acquaintances. Would Lucy and Nancy have been invited to the Dashwoods if the sisters hadn’t been there?

I suppose that could be stretched to—fate that John Dashwood’s wife had a brother such as Edward? Who happened to come to Norland and meet Elinor? Who now could see just how much he did not love Lucy and knew of a better woman? Fate that the Dashwood women ended up in Barton? Where they met Brandon? And Mrs. Jennings? And well, the whole story we know ensuing?

Yes. I could say fate as others know it definitely played a role.

7. Elinor considers Lucy's marriage to Robert Ferrars as "extraordinary and unaccountable," "completely a puzzle." Is it completely a puzzle to you as well?

It is once in a while. But then I think of Lucy’s conniving person—trying to get what’s better. I liked how Edward in the ’95 film refers to the fortune being transferred to his brother, and Lucy’s affections subsequently following. I would not put it beneath her there. I also understood more with the book’s explanation that Lucy kept trying over and over to get in Robert’s good graces, and turned his vanity to her uses.

8. Why doesn't Colonel Brandon fall in love with Elinor?

I wondered that over and over the 1st and 2nd time I read in the books. The movies always did a good job in letting me see that they were just not meant for each other. My 3rd time reading helped me see a good friendship there and seeing when I never did before that they were not meant for each other. Probably helps that I’ve been through my college and YSA years with many male friends and better understanding wonderful, respectful friendships like that.

What I do not get is what he sees in Marianne? Sorry. But she may have been likeable in the movies—particularly the 2008 version. But in the book, I did not like her. Not until the absolute very end. So I have trouble seeing how any man could want her. Or I don’t want to see how any man could. I already put up with that in my life and am unceasingly saying to myself “to each his own” and “don’t compare.”

9. Why does Lucy get to be happier than Willoughby?

Well, she did nothing against her virtue. Maybe Austen was putting forth a moral here. Who knows. And honestly. Lucy may bother and have been vicious—but it was her female jealousy and possession. She relinquished only for her own better interests sure. But I don’t think she is as loathsome as Willoughby. She began as an ignorant and innocent girl who thought herself in love and then had a stranglehold on the relationship that came out of it. But she didn’t try to play with a person’s feelings for her pleasure and amusement all the while knowing she had debauched someone else. Her tormenting Elinor may have been for her pleasure and amusement, but I don’t think it quite compares to Willoughby’s toying with a willing and unsuspecting Marianne.

10. "Wealth has much to do with...happiness," Elinor states at one point. "Elinor, for shame!" says Marianne. "Money can only give happiness where there is nothing else to give it." What is the relationship between love and money in Sense and Sensibility? Is it different for different characters? Has the relationship between love and money changed in today's world?

I saw that money didn’t bring happiness. Even in poor circumstances people were able to find happiness. And in wealth, some were not happy. I saw that it had to do with the person. I just find it funny as to who said which quote, they ended up the opposite what their sentiments said. Elinor was in a lower income, and yet was very happy. And Marianne had plenty of happiness, with money as a perk! But I know that Elinor said it at the time, knowing how dependent Edward was at the time on having something given to him so he could live on his own—thus his and her happiness could not be complete without some bit of wealth.

11. What do you think this story would have been like if it has been through Marianne’s eyes?

Oh my. Don’t even go there. There would have been no sense whatsoever. And would there have been readers (including me, gah!) that would have completely agreed with her every feeling and thought and sentiment. Ug. What a nauseating thought.

12. Do you find Marianne's decision to marry Colonel Brandon to be a plausible conclusion? Why or why not?

Well, yes, since the book kept pointing to her as a reward for his constancy, etc. I didn’t quite like the wording, but it seemed okay. He was the more mature, romantic, sensible man who could have high estimation in her mind once she received her own maturity. The ’95 film did better in showing this. The 2008 film did a great job with that.

13. Although it ends with the marriages of the two main female characters, some readers have claimed that of all of Austen's novels, Sense and Sensibility has the saddest ending. Do you agree with this statement?

I guess. For those who were all for Willoughby, they might be sad. Or wanting Edward and Elinor to have more wealth than what they ended with. Or that the evil or awful people (namely Willoughby and Lucy) were not entirely punished or unhappy at the end. I didn’t find it all that sad though. And the movies certainly don’t give that off.

Just some comments that didn’t fit in with the questions:
-the 70s film version is painful to watch. An interesting look to see what others thought. But. Wow. Not one I ever want to watch again.

-the 80s version. Not awful. Just that feel that all those BBC movies in the 80s and early 90s had. The obvious indoor vs. outdoor scenes. The extremely plain and often too old characters. Yeah. If I’m going to envision it, I like to envision it a little more glamorous. Because that’s how I like it.

-I really liked hearing the interview and commentary during the 2008 version. Opened up a lot more of what the film-people chose to do.

-The Austen bio I read as I read this (the 3rd time) book helped me enjoy and understand it much better.

-I don’t really dislike the book any more. I like it a lot more. But I have to acknowledge that the film versions (particularly ’95 and 2008) help me know, appreciate, and like the book than I would on its own. ‘Cause I still had a couple of beefs with the book. But they were personal and I would never attribute them to Austen. Of course.

Thursday, June 23, 2011

We have arrived in England.

It's time!! I actually read the book this time around. I know. I'm shameless and for the last year and a half have picked books that I knew well enough I wouldn't have to re-read. But I was determined this time. And I did. Huge "Complete Works" book and all! I also had friends over to watch the 2008 film version. So, here are the questions. I collected them from a few online sources, too lazy or brain-numb to come up with my own. Feel free to add whatever you would like to discuss! Or gush over. :-)

By the way when I answer, I'll be referring to the book as well as the 4 film versions I have seen.

1. The Dashwood women discuss Edward Ferrars for many pages before the reader actually meets him in a dramatic scene. Why do you think Austen chose to create the whole Elinor/Edward love affair "off stage"?


2. Elinor and Marianne's younger sister Margaret plays a very minor role in the novel. Why do you think Austen included this character? Does she further any of the plot? Does she shed light on any of the other characters?

3. Before he abandons Marianne, is John Willoughby a likeable character? Does Austen give any indication early on that he is not as he appears?

4. A turn of the century review describes Mrs. Jennings as a character it is "equally delightful to have met on paper and not to have met in the flesh." Why is it delightful to spend time reading about a character who would be tedious in person?

5. What did you think of the dueling scene?

6. "One's happiness must in some measure be always at the mercy of chance," the narrator says at one point. What role does chance play in the fates of the main characters?

7. Elinor considers Lucy's marriage to Robert Ferrars as "extraordinary and unaccountable," "completely a puzzle." Is it completely a puzzle to you as well?

8. Why doesn't Colonel Brandon fall in love with Elinor?

9. Why does Lucy get to be happier than Willoughby?

10. "Wealth has much to do with...happiness," Elinor states at one point. "Elinor, for shame!" says Marianne. "Money can only give happiness where there is nothing else to give it." What is the relationship between love and money in Sense and Sensibility? Is it different for different characters? Has the relationship between love and money changed in today's world?

11. What do you think this story would have been like if it has been through Marianne’s eyes?

12. Do you find Marianne's decision to marry Colonel Brandon to be a plausible conclusion? Why or why not?

13. Although it ends with the marriages of the two main female characters, some readers have claimed that of all of Austen's novels, Sense and Sensibility has the saddest ending. Do you agree with this statement?

Monday, May 30, 2011

Finally Moving On

It's almost 3 in the morning. And, yes, I'm awake. Kinda. Waiting to fall asleep any minute now. And, no, I was not a bad girl and stayed up all this time. I fell asleep around 9 or so, while reading Sister Oaks' A Single Voice and commemorating Memorial Day with a Ken Burns documentary. My falling asleep in no way reflects either of the two. I'm just a tired girl. Especially after another day of rain. I've lost count, but I think it's the 14th in a row.

Anywho. I woke around 1:30. Trudged my way to bed, and a random though slight bout of tears from something only my half-asleep brain could explain woke me up. I don't often have trouble falling asleep or falling back to sleep. But this is one of those times. If Internet schlumping doesn't do any thing, then I'll do the almost-never-fails trick and put on a movie.

But I figured while I'm on, I might as well change the AKB Book Club choice. Finally! (I know.) Sorry. Just haven't gotten around to it. I've been debating my choices. What's there to debate? Well, which Austen novel to do.

I know! Aren't you excited? You're probably thinking "It's about time the Austen Knows Best Book Club did an Austen book!" I know, I was thinking the same thing for some time now. Oh, but which one? There are 6 great ones to choose from! I don't really count that 7th as great. Humorous. Odd. Interesting. Not one I like to discuss much. There are also the incomplete works, but why move on to those before the 6 Great Ones?

Thus, which of the 6? Hmmm. While I think on it, I'm going to also point out that we're going to do a Book-Into-Movie aspect with these. It's a book club I want to get started with my teens, so I might as well start here. It's one of my favorite things to do anyhow. And what better way than to do them with Austen?!

Now, I know part of me should do S&S. Because it is the 200th Anniversary of its publication. This is huge! I should be celebrating! Only, I'm lazy and hesitant and not ready to re-read the book. I should. I'm sure 12 years gone by and all that they have been full of would make a huge difference in the reading of it. And there are 2 movie versions that I love of it, and 2 that are so-so. And wouldn't it be nice to do all 6 Austen in publication order for the rest of the year?

That does sound nice. A bit ambitious. But nice. Do you think we would get tired of discussing Austen? I know--perish the thought! But really. 6 months in a row? Would you rather we separate them out. Sprinkle in an Austen here or there among so many other great works? I'll need your opinions on that.

But I think I've settled the book. We'll honor 200 years of What-would-our-lives-be-without-Austen?!?! and read

Sense and Sensibility
published 1811
by A Lady


(And what an awesome Lady she was!)

Sunday, May 16, 2010

Austen Heroine Quizzes

All right. It's time this Austen blog did something Austen again. Been a little too long since then, wouldn't you agree. I noticed this on Enchanted Serenity, so I took the quiz to see my results.

I am Anne Elliot!


Take the Quiz here!

Further description:

You are Anne Elliot of Persuasion! Let's face it; you're easily persuaded, particularly when friends and relatives try to use "the Elliot way" against you. But this doesn't mean that you don't have conviction. Actually, your sense of duty is overwhelming. And though you won't stick your neck out too often, you have learned to speak up when it counts. To boot, you know how to handle sticky situations. You love deeply and constantly.

I love Anne. And Persuasion is my favorite Austen novel. And there are connections I definitely make with Anne. But easily persuaded? Am I? I've never really thought if I am or not. Now some of those questions I could see it was heading toward Anne. But there were a couple that I was a bit back and forth on. So I went back and changed them and got

I am Marianne Dashwood!


Take the Quiz here!

You are Marianne Dashwood of Sense & Sensibility! You are impulsive, romantic, impatient, and perhaps a bit too brutally honest. You enjoy romantic poetry and novels, and play the pianoforte beautifully. To boot, your singing voice is captivating. You feel deeply, and love passionately.

What? Not her!!!! Oi. Then I think that these can be hard to answer for myself, because I don't see me as others do. And I'm curious if the results change if others answer.

So what do you think of me?

And, even more fun, what did you get for yourself?


And out of curiosity, I found another Austen quiz that was much longer and a bit more interesting. The results were, well, surprising:

You Scored as Elinor Dashwood

As Marianne's older sister, Elinor lives at the other end of the emotional spectrum. She rarely reveals her intense feelings and is more concerned with being honest and loyal than having what she deserves. Even though her intentions are pure, she sets herself up for loss by constantly placing other people before her own needs. Overall, Elinor is gentle and rational but is just as capable of radical emotions (despite her withholding them) as her sister.

Elinor Dashwood
72%
Jane Bennet
66%
Elizabeth Bennet
59%
Emma Woodhouse
53%
Marianne Dashwood
50%
Charlotte Lucas
41%
Lady Catherine
19%

19% Lady Catherine?! I'd like to take offense as that!

What about you?

Friday, January 29, 2010

Another love has come along

[I couldn't not share this from my 2010 Joy and Gratitude Every Day on my LDS blog]:

Day 29

It isn't often that one finds a wonderful period drama film adaptation of a book. There's always some thing, some part, some character, some acting, some scenery, some unnecessary addition, some direction...some thing that doesn't sit well with us. Usually it's enough some things that add up to it being a good movie. But not THE adaptation that you tell everyone they must see.

Yet occasionally, it does come along. Jane Eyre for one. You know the one. The Toby Stephens version. It's amazing! Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. With so many Austen adaptations, I have so many views. I have my favorites, but not many must-sees. The new Northanger Abbey is close, but still missing a couple of my favorite parts. Though JJ Feild is an excellent Henry. I do love his smile. The new Sense and Sensibility, well, I'm exceedingly happy with that one, too. (Except for the opening scene. I do like the behind closed doors of Austen to stay behind those doors--on the other side of me.)

Well, finally a version of Emma has come along that is it. The thing. I'll be fine watching the other versions, but I would be perfectly content to only watch this new Romola Garai and Jonny Lee Miller version for the rest of my time on earth. Wonderful happiness!

What perfect book-to-film period drama adaptations bring you joy?

Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Favorite S&S Female Secondary Characters

4 votes (actually 7--poll counter has issues)

Mrs. Dashwood 1 (25%)
Miss Margaret Dashwood 1 (25%)
Mrs. Fanny F. Dashwood 0 (0%)
Miss Anne Steele 3 (75%)
Miss Lucy Steele 1 (25%)
Mrs. Jennings 1 (25%)
Mrs. Charlotte J. Palmer 0 (0%)
Lady Middleton 0 (0%)
Mrs. Ferrars 0 (0%)
Miss Sophia Grey 0 (0%)

Favorite Austen "Villainess"...or Rival

4 votes

Lucy Steele 1 (25%)
Sophia Grey 0 (0%)
Caroline Bingley 0 (0%)
Jane Fairfax 0 (0%)
Harriet Smith 0 (0%)
Mary Crawford 2 (50%)
Isabella Thorpe 0 (0%)
Louisa Musgrove 1 (25%)
Elizabeth Elliot 0 (0%)

Favorite Austen Heroine

So these polls have been sitting with results for over a month. Sorry about that. Here are the results for posterity. I have quite a few wonderings about some answers. Maybe I'll comment on them later. But for now I'm going to get these up and try to come up with a new poll.

7 votes

Elinor Dashwood 1 (14%)
Marianne Dashwood 2 (28%)
Elizabeth Bennet 2 (28%)
Jane Bennet 0 (0%)
Emma Woodhouse 1 (14%)
Harriet Smith 0 (0%)
Fanny Price 1 (14%)
Susan Price 0 (0%)
Catherine Morland 0 (0%)
Eleanor Tilney 1 (14%)
Anne Elliot 2 (28%)

Wednesday, June 17, 2009

S&S Movie Book Club Answers

Well, I'm a day early, but here are my answers for the Book Club! (I figured I'd post now before I forget--I've been so busy with work!) I hope many of you will comment and discuss. Better yet--answer them for yourself and send them along!

1. Did watching more than one version increase your understanding of the story?
Actually, no more than what the ’96 version helped clarify for me.

2. The character of Margaret is cut out of two of the four movie versions. What significance does she have to the story? Is she necessary? Which other characters were cut from the movie versions?
Well, I don’t think she’s absolutely necessary. But I do think it’s a shame she is excluded. I think she can be important in showing Marianne’s role as an older sister—the example she is (or should be) setting, and her moments of responsibility. Gives her another good quality instead of her only having silly ones.

I was very disappointed that the ’96 version cut the character of Anne Steele. She’s so hilariously annoying. And helps show even more how girls like the Steeles are nothing in comparison to girls like the Dashwoods (even for all of Marianne’s silliness). I think the actress who played her in the ’07 version was delightful.

3. In the 1996 Ang Lee/Emma Thompson movie version, Willoughby first meets Marianne while he is on horseback. In the book, he meets her while on foot. What motive would Ang Lee (director) and Emma Thompson (screenwriter) possibly have for changing it to horseback? Did you like or dislike that he added the scene where the grieving Marianne walks in the rain to look at Combe Magna? What about the Atlas scene with Edward, Elinor and Margaret?
I think the horseback element was supposed to be the knight riding his white charger—which would coincide quite well with Marianne’s fantasies of romance.
Though it annoyed me she still wasn’t over him, I liked the Marianne scene at Combe Magna. Quoting that part of Shakespeare was a great way in showing how truly shaken Marianne’s fixations and ideas on what romance and love were. She really was betrayed, and betrayal is such a difficult thing to overcome.
The atlas scene? Perfect addition. I loved it! Any addition that helped show how Edward and Elinor were much more meant for each other, and also showed their friendship and feelings growing for each other was an improvement upon the book. Plus, it’s just too humorous to not include!

4. In the book, Willoughby is described as being the most handsome/sexy man. Did the movie versions you saw stay true to that description? Why or why not?
Blech, blech, and NO! Looks-wise right off I didn’t think any attractive. And I never was one for the obvious and/or popular man. I like the men who are more subtle in their good looks and great personalities.

5. Is Mrs. Jennings more or less likable on screen compared to in the book?
I don’t remember her as much from the book. Yet the movies made her unforgettable. She’s still annoying, but she’s a likable annoying and I didn’t mind laughing while watching her. I do think I prefer the Mrs. Jennings in the ’96 version though.

6. The “Willoughby confession scene” was cut from the Ang Lee version of the movie. How significant for you is that scene to the overall plot?
This was immensely significant for me—because it’s my favorite scene from the book! Though Willoughby is trying to justify himself (and I was rightly angered with Sophia Grey), he still through this scene shows the immoral coward that he is.

7. Who do you think the unnamed informant is who ruins Willoughby's fun? Do any of the movie versions attempt to answer that question?
My answer to this is different from what I answered for the book, probably because I had the question clairified for me as well as a suggestion from Brittany. She suggested Col. Brandon. Which got me to think and had me give this response: “That is a twist. Yet it makes sense—who else would tell? But what if he was doing it to see if Willoughby would admit his wrong, and come back to Eliza? A last chance effort for Eliza, though he probably guessed it wasn't going to happen. Hmmm....” I don’t think the movie versions have answered that question—or even hinted at it!

8. Do any of the movie versions give us any red flags that lead us to believe Willoughby might be a villain? As a viewer, would you want to see red flags or would you rather be drawn in by him, vicariously through Marianne?
Well, the ’07 version certainly sent up a red flag. I’m not sure about the red flags though, because I went into the movie knowing he was a cad. I have never been able to bring myself to have any kind of sympathy or feeling for him. (I did have one friend who voted Willoughby all the way, even knowing how promiscuous, untruthful, and unfaithful he was. How---????? Ug.) I think the ’96 version does a good job in trying to draw the viewer in. But they also try to keep you sympathetic to his outcome. Unh-uh!

Personally I wouldn’t want to be drawn in at all like Marianne, for I would hope to have the sense like Elinor to see the better merits of gentlemen such as Edward or Col. Brandon.

9. Discuss the title. What does Sense mean? What does Sensibility mean? Who in the story embodies those qualities? (Think about Elinor, Marianne, Col. Brandon, Edward, Mrs. Dashwood, Fanny Dashwood, Willoughby, etc.) What are the advantages and disadvantages of both qualities? In the movie versions you saw were there visual symbols of the meaning of the title? Which versions are better at depicting this?
I quote from my answers for the book: “Elinor is sense. She is practical and does everything that she thinks is right, proper, and best. Marianne is sensibility, who does everything that she feels is best—usually for her. I would like to think I have both. There are times my sense of propriety wins out in many things. But other times my overly sentimental self takes over.” To which I add that others with sense (even if misplaced, misguided, or poorly/selfishly executed) are Edward, Fanny, Mrs. Jennings, Lucy Steele. Sensibility would have Mrs. Dashwood, Anne Steele, Charlotte Palmer. Col. Brandon has a decent mix of both.

I think it is helpful to have an even balance of both. Sense, of course, to know the practical things in life and do what is appropriate, beneficial, and needed. But there needs to be some sensibility—some feeling and emotion. Life without passion would be very dull indeed.

I had never thought about visual symbols in the movies, but having to think about it, at least one thing comes to mind. In the ’07 version, Margaret uses a lot of shells for decoration. They are simple and yet made beautiful and add to the charm of the cottage. I believe this is the Sensibility side. Margaret is a great show of how Elinor and Marianne have both had an effect on her and how hopefully she will grow up to be a good balance of both.

10. Which movie version is your favorite? After watching more than one version, did that opinion change?
My favorite was the ’07 version. Special, personally historic ties to ’96. But ’07 just added so much more depth and beauty. Not as much humor as the ’96, and (of course) longer which allowed for more depth. I’ll always love ’96, but I’m so glad ’07 is there now.

11. In your opinion, which movie version is most like the book? Which individual actors best fit their character in age, appearance and disposition? Are there any other additional actors whom you would like to see play those parts?
I think ’07 was most like the book—including more characters than any other version (including the Middletons’ children). I believe this version had much better actors suited for the characters in every respect. It’s more how I would have envisioned them. In the ’96 version they all look a whole lot older than they should be (except for Margaret). With my affinity for Ioan, though I think he would make an excellent Henry Tilney, he’d probably do well as Edward Ferrars, too.

Wednesday, June 10, 2009

Favorite of the Favorite Austen Film Adaptations

I do apologize for the silence. I have been sick and it's been a long, slow recovery. Still sick, but life goes on. As does The Austen Blog! I'll be sure to put up some new polls tonight. Hopefully we have more participation than the last.
We only had 5 votes on this one.
S&S: 1995 – Columbia Pictures (Ang Lee/Emma Thompson) 1 (20%)
P&P: 1995 – A&E/BBC (Yeah, Firth) 3 (60%)
Emma: 1996 – Miramax (Gweneth Paltrow) 1 (20%)
MP: 2007 – BBC 0 (0%)
NA: 2007 – BBC (JJ Field!) 0 (0%)
Persuasion: 2007 – PBS (Rupert Penry-Jones!) 0 (0%)


I'm still not surprised by the majority vote.

Don't forget to answer the S&S film adaptations Book Club questions! They're due by next week! Thanks for the patience with my lack of posting. And Welcome to my new follower! I hope you enjoy my little literary obsession outlet.

Tuesday, June 2, 2009

S&S Movie Questions

All right, Austen Book Club e-members! Here are the questions from Author Bee. We were/are to watch 2 movie adaptations of S&S, one of them being the '96 version. Who can turn down an excuse to watch Austen?!

The meeting will be Thursday, June 18th, so please submit answers by then! The answers do get shared at the actual physical meeting that takes place in Utah. But discussions can still be had here on my little Austen blog. I hope you'll join in!

1. Did watching more than one version increase your understanding of the story?
2. The character of Margaret is cut out of two of the four movie versions. What significance does she have to the story? Is she necessary? Which other characters were cut from the movie versions?

3. In the 1996 Ang Lee/Emma Thompson movie version, Willoughby first meets Marianne while he is on horseback. In the book, he meets her while on foot. What motive would Ang Lee (director) and Emma Thompson (screenwriter) possibly have for changing it to horseback? Did you like or dislike that he added the scene where the grieving Marianne walks in the rain to look at Combe Magna? What about the Atlas scene with Edward, Elinor and Margaret?

4. In the book, Willoughby is described as being the most handsome/sexy man. Did the movie versions you saw stay true to that description? Why or why not?

5. Is Mrs. Jennings more or less likable on screen compared to in the book?

6. The “Willoughby confession scene” was cut from the Ang Lee version of the movie. How significant for you is that scene to the overall plot?

7. Who do you think the unnamed informant is who ruins Willoughby's fun? Do any of the movie versions attempt to answer that question?

8. Do any of the movie versions give us any red flags that lead us to believe Willoughby might be a villain? As a viewer, would you want to see red flags or would you rather be drawn in by him, vicariously through Marianne?

9. Discuss the title. What does Sense mean? What does Sensibility mean? Who in the story embodies those qualities? (Think about Elinor, Marianne, Col. Brandon, Edward, Mrs. Dashwood, Fanny Dashwood, Willoughby, etc.) What are the advantages and disadvantages of both qualities? In the movie versions you saw were there visual symbols of the meaning of the title? Which versions are better at depicting this?

10. Which movie version is your favorite? After watching more than one version, did that opinion change?

11. In your opinion, which movie version is most like the book? Which individual actors best fit their character in age, appearance and disposition? Are there any other additional actors whom you would like to see play those parts?

Thursday, May 14, 2009

Best S&S Film Adaptation

8 votes

2008 – BBC (part of the Austen series in 2008) 3 (37%)
1995 – Columbia Pictures (Ang Lee/Emma Thompson) 5 (62%)
1981 – BBC 0 (0%)
1971- BBC (TV version) 0 (0%)
Other 0 (0%)
Never Seen Any 0 (0%)

My Say:
I know so much of my heart belongs to the '95 version for so many reasons. Probably a post in itself. But last week after watching '08 (for my 2nd time), I cannot help but prefer that adaptation just a wink more. If anything for the fact that they 1) include my favorite scene (though vastly edited) from the book and 2) they don't try to make Willoughby out as some tragic hero. He's a promiscuous scalliwag and deserves a miserable fate!

Meredith's S&S Book Club Answers

Ooh, I love this sort of thing! And I can totally justify it as work related. So here we go.

1. My favorite scene is when Marianne finally finds out about the secret Eleanor has been keeping.

2. I just barely read the book for the first time, and it really does seem like Eleanor and Colonel Brandon go together better. As for Marianne, I can't help but think that if she had been older and a little smarter, she could have had both!

3. Ooh, secrets. I don't have the gumption to make a list. But Marianne is totally isolated. She isolates herself, I think in part to further that romantic ideal she has. For her, I think the more drama, the more romance. If that makes sense.

4. Hmm, who is the most sexy? Was it Willoughby? I don't remember. Frankly, I never found any of the S&S guys to be super sexy. I like some of them (Colonel Brandon), but I still didn't really think he was sexy.

5. Those goobers totally deserve each other.

6. In the book, I don't really think he is a hero. This one is all about Eleanor and Marianne for me. He's too passive to be the ideal Austen hero that I always think of.

7. Good question. I never really thought about it. We'll say some random servants. They don't get much to do in these books.

8. Willoughby got way more happiness than he deserved. True, Lucy is kind of mean, but really, I hardly blame her. I'd be bitter against someone I thought my fiance loved more than me. Even if I didn't love him that much. But Willoughby ruined that girl's life, and he never shows any remorse for it. He's sad that he got caught and he's sad he can't be with Marianne, but he doesn't feel bad at all for what he did to poor what's her face. I can't remember her name. Obviously.

9. Heck if I know. I've wondered about the title for years.

10. Probably not. I think Mr. Palmer enjoys having a silly wife. It gives him and excuse to be grumpy, which I'm quite certain he enjoys.

11. Those darn talkative women are all extremely silly. But, to be fair, even Marianne, who's certainly not as loud as some of these other women, is kind of an idiot. Maybe this is totally wrong, but I think this shows why women should have more opportunities for education, employment, etc. If the only thing I had to do was sit around and gossip or do needlework, I think I'd be stupid too.

12. Well, I don't think Marianne would have believed him. But that part still drives me crazy. It's the crazy system of honor and privacy that everyone had back then. Not that those things are necessarily bad, but there's a time and a place, Brandon! That's the kind of thing to speak up about!

My S&S Book Club answers

1. What is your favorite scene or line?

In the book, my favorite scene is when Willoughby comes and explains everything to Elinor. In the Emma Thompson movie, it’s probably a tie between all scenes with Elinor and Edward together. You can just read so much more of what is going on from their facial expressions and even other body language. Plus, their lines are so honest and humble. And who could not want a man to say “My heart has always been, and always will be, yours” to them?


2. Marianne wanted a romantic relationship and got a rational one instead. What do you think of that? Should she be with Col. Brandon, or should Elinor?

Well, I felt that Marianne certainly needed to learn some sense, and her getting a rational relationship helped to show that. But I am also the girl who read S&S twice still thinking Colonel Brandon was intended for Elinor. It’s why I like the movie(s) better, because I can see then that Elinor is better off with Edward. Perhaps I should re-read the book post 17 years of age to see if any wisdom I’ve hopefully accumulated over the years has helped with understanding.


3. Secrets isolate people, and almost everyone in the novel has a secret. Make a list of who they are and what their secret is. How are they each isolated? Is Marianne isolated? How?

Edward – his engagement

Elinor – knowing about the engagement

Willoughby – his being a cad and a blackguard

Col. Brandon – his history (particularly concerning Eliza) and his love for Marianne. However, if you notice these are not things that are completely concealed. Others know or may guess, which is probably one reason why readers may come to know, understand, and love him best. His secrets aren’t secret, and we are able to see inside him and love him more fully.

Marianne is isolated because she isolates herself. Actually, I think that’s what everyone does who has a secret. Not saying that we should all tell every or any one everything we possibly could. Some things may be secret to us if we choose to isolate that particular part of ourselves from others.


4. Who is described as being the most handsome/sexy man in the book? Why do you think it's set up that way?

Oh no--I don’t remember who was described that way!


5. What is your opinion of the Lucy Steele/Robert Ferrars match?
Both odious people—they deserve each other. Besides, it brings down the uppity Robert. And I would never begrudge any female (no matter how conniving) happiness in marriage. Besides, will she truly be happy with him? We know so little of the two together, it is hard to make a judgement call.



6. What is your opinion of Edward as an Austen hero?

I think he certainly holds place for certain women out there. He was young and didn’t think at first. He paid dearly for his impulsive behavior. (I also have a feeling that the scheming Lucy did a good job at not showing all of her true personality to him until she had or thought she had what she could get. Is that not how she was with others?) Yet he is still honorable. And some women like the quieter man who understands them at a deep level without needing to make a big show of things. He seems more realistic, actually.


7. Who do you think the unnamed informant(s) is/are who ruin Willoughby's fun?

I always thought it was Lady Allen. Did I get that from the movie or something?


8. Why does Lucy get a happier ending than Willoughby?

Because Lucy didn’t break someone’s heart, permanently ruin their reputation, and then leave them without caring a hoot about them.


9. Discuss the title. What does Sense mean? What does Sensibility mean? Who embodies those qualities? Do you have one or both of those qualities? What are the advantages and disadvantages of both?

Elinor is sense. She is practical and does everything that she thinks is right, proper, and best. Marianne is sensibility, who does everything that she feels is best—usually for her. I would like to think I have both. There are times my sense of propriety

wins out in many things. But other times my overly sentimental self takes over.


10. Would Mr. Palmer be a better husband if he had a better wife?

I really want to believe so. And not just because Hugh Laurie is cute and plays the part well. I like to believe that he had a lot of potential, and that if he’d had a good wife to support him he would have been happier and more pleasant. I also like to think that (like Mr. Rochester in Jane Eyre) he was “tricked” by not really knowing who she was until he married her. Women did much in those days to secure a marital position. Perhaps it was one of Austen’s many ways of commenting on that.


11. How are talkative women portrayed in the novel? Think about Mrs. Jennings, Mrs. Palmer, Lady Middleton and the Miss Steeles.

It doesn’t seem to be a positive trait, especially if the talkative is idle chatter. Marianne could be considered talkative (in her happy moods), yet I think she had a little more to say. Upbringing, social standing, and “accomplished” all making a difference?


12. Col. Brandon stands back and lets Marianne carry on with Willoughby even though he knows Willoughby's secret. Why would he do that? Have you ever held back and let someone you know make a bad decision?

I thought he at first was only suspicious of Willoughby’s misdeeds. And that when he knew for sure, Marianne was already separated from him. Was that another movie thing? Well, I think he might have been worried what others thought. There was already pushing and pressing and hinting about him and Marianne. With him truly having feelings for her, the last thing he’d want is to look like jealous, mud-slinging rival. Maybe something about his past had him scared? And maybe he felt that she was wise enough to not get in too far. I’m not really sure. Personally, if I have seen something that from my own experience know led a bad decision on my part, I like to let the other person know. But once I’ve told them, I leave them to their decision and consequences.

Tuesday, May 12, 2009

Less than One Day Left!

Hurry! Have some fun in reflecting on your favorite Austen film adaptations. Then vote for your favorites!!! There is less than 24 hours left to do so!

Also, if you are participating in the Austen Book Club, the virtual "meeting" for the S&S novel is this Thursday. Please join in! 

Monday, May 4, 2009

Book Club!

So, friend and follower Author Bee has begun an Austen Book Club. That's a much more organized, steady, and familiar way to fulfill the premise of this blog. Still, she has invited me to participate even though I'm on the other side of the country. And I'm so excited! (Especially as I've never been able to be part of a book club before.)

They're currently discussing Sense and Sensibility. She sent me the questions today, which I enjoyed answering and felt I would post them here. However, I will not post the answers until her actual meeting (May 14th). Today I will just post the questions. Maybe it can spark a little discussing of our own?

(Is anyone else even out there?)


I would love to hear what others think and feel. Sorry that I haven't been too steady with any posting. It's been a busy time with various things. Perhaps of an evening I will try to plan out a bit more this blog. Until then, if there are any other readers, I hope you have enjoyed it so far and will participate in my upcoming endeavors of connecting with fellow Janeites.

The S&S questions:

1. What is your favorite scene or line?
2. Marianne wanted a romantic relationship and got a rational one instead. What do you think of that? Should she be with Col. Brandon, or should Elinor?
3. Secrets isolate people, and almost everyone in the novel has a secret. Make a list of who they are and what their secret is. How are they each isolated? Is Marianne isolated? How?
4. Who is described as being the most handsome/sexy man in the book? Why do you think it's set up that way?
5. What is your opinion of the Lucy Steele/Robert Ferrars match?
6. What is your opinion of Edward as an Austen hero?
7. Who do you think the unnamed informant(s) is/are who ruin Willoughby's fun?
8. Why does Lucy get a happier ending than Willoughby?
9. Discuss the title. What does Sense mean? What does Sensibility mean? Who embodies those qualities? Do you have one or both of those qualities? What are the advantages and disadvantages of both?
10. Would Mr. Palmer be a better husband if he had a better wife?
11. How are talkative women portrayed in the novel? Think about Mrs. Jennings, Mrs. Palmer, Lady Middleton and the Miss Steeles.
12. Col. Brandon stands back and lets Marianne carry on with Willoughby even though he knows Willoughby's secret. Why would he do that? Have you ever held back and let someone you know make a bad decision?

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

"I Know Exactly How You Feel"

First, name that movie quote.

Second, I really do. With some of Austen's characters any how. That has always been one thing I love of Austen's writing. She creates the most realistic characters. You will see people with those traits in all walks of life. And as you meet/see/know them, you can't help but think (if you are a knowledgeable Janeite), "Oh, she is such a Miss Bingley" or "That poor Colonel Brandon" or "I'm trying so hard to understand this Jane Fairfax!"

I find my own self identifying with varying aspects of various Austen characters.

Like Charlotte Lucas. Worried that at our similar ages and "without having ever been handsome" and other more glaring flaws that my chances at "the only honourable provision for a well-educated young wom[a]n of small fortune" are rather minimal. Of course, hopefully unlike Charlotte I will not settle, and will take advantage of the bends in my road and let my spirit fly unfettered.

Like Fanny Price. Who tries to go about doing right and going by her heart, and yet still gets question and berated--by those who should trust she knows her own feelings and leave her to her convictions. 

Like Emma Woodhouse. Who can be "so unfeeling to" others, and yet am properly remonstrated either by loved ones or my own self and then feel "anger against herself, mortification, and deep concern....[s]o agitated, mortified, grieved."

Like Anne Elliot. Who once loved someone so deeply and shared everything she could with him, only to later be constantly in his presence and suffer the agonies of not being able to speak as freely as in former times. To no longer be able to share the dreams, wishes, thoughts, desires, hopes, and revelations of her mind and heart. Instead, to watch and endure almost daily the painful severance that persistently presents itself to her. Like her, I do "not wish for more of such looks and speeches...cold politeness...ceremonious grace...[they are] worse than anything." I would prefer to open my heart again. To have again my best friend. Yet this is not to be. So, perhaps, instead I will soon move on as Anne did who "found herself by this time growing so much more hardened to being in [his] company than she had at first imagined could ever be, that the sitting down to the same table with him now, and the interchange of common civilities attending on it...was become a mere nothing."

Like Catherine Morland. Who is overflowing with flaws, and yet still eventually have a Henry Tilney--so clever, intelligent, humorous, considerate, forgiving, understanding, and accepting--come along and love her. I will have my own Henry some day. I know that. Until then, I suppose like Catherine I'll "remain...at [home] to cry." Well, and have some fun and happiness, too.